Auditors vs. psychs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First up: Apologies for the long absence of posts – there are 2 big stories that have occupied our time which we hope to bring soon. 

Pretoria Org has recruited a new staff member who has gone onto the Technical Training Corps (TTC). This letter from the Qual Sec of Pretoria lays out the training line up and claims this will take 25 weeks (just on half a year) to produce a Class IV auditor.

 

 

She then goes on to make the comparison between auditor training and training for psychiatrists and psychologists with the implication that auditors are far more equipped to deal with human issues with training taking a fraction of the time.

Leaving aside the question of which is better, the issue that jumps out is the sheer volume of one versus the other. Pretoria Org has not produced a single auditor this year, nor in the 10 months since the launch of GAT II.

 

 

Finding figures for the number of psychiatrists and psychologists that graduate per year in South Africa is difficult to come by. However the numbers who are practising speaks volumes for this comparison.

Here’s the letter:  qualsec

 

There are currently 470 psychiatrists registered with the South African Society of Psychiatrists (SASOP). A search on LinkedIn (the social network for professionals) for “Psychiatrist South Africa” returns 604 results. This is not a massive number by international standards but by comparison to auditors it’s huge.

A similar search for “Psychologist South Africa” shows 7074 South Africans listing psychologist as their profession.

And the rub: A GLOBAL search for “Scientology Auditor” returns just 139 results. When narrowed to South Africa it falls to just 7.

Auditors may well be better than “the psychs” but the point is moot. The numbers are so minimal as to have zero impact on the global scene and the rate at which new auditors are being produced means this will continue to hold true for the immediate and long term future.

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32 thoughts on “Auditors vs. psychs

  1. In 1965 I purchased levels 0 – 4 and studied day, evenings and weekends. I completed the course in 6 weeks and signed a staff contract and was appointed as a staff auditor and started auditing public within 2 months. This BS of taking forever to do a course is nonsense. In 1974 I was auditing on the flag ship with LRH giving me VWDs without any need to do a retrain.

    Now according to the article by the Qual Sec above he has total missing data. As written in a previous article on this board about psychiatrists. Medicine has done a quantum leap over the past 10 years. The current medical and psychiatric disciplines in South Africa and the rest of the world is thoroughly outdated and is 25 to 30 years behind the new medical profession that do Functional and Integrative medicine.

    Drugs and shock treatment are completely outdated in the new discipline and the causes are handled unlike the old medicine where symptoms are handled by drugs. For example in the old discipline if you become diabetic you are given drugs and remain on drugs for the rest of your life. In the new discipline the cause is found and the condition cured.

    Many failed auditing cases where the PCs suffering from anxiety, nervousness and depression will be handled by the new psychiatrist by finding the cause most likely being the thyroid gland in the throat either by being over active or under active.

    Currently there is a pandemic sweeping the world which will affect 2.3 billion people across the world by 2015. That is one third of the population of the world. It is creating havoc including South Africa. The medical profession nor the Scientologist will be able to handle it but the new Functional Integrative Doctor and Psychiatrist will. Forget the old psychiatrist he won’t be around for much longer.

    Travers

      • No need to patronise, Frik. Best you update yourself and clear away condescending tones.
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        There is a new planet in the offing, using knowledge and spirituality way, way ahead of Scientology and its narrow confines. The application of such will be of a force sufficienly powerful to wipe out the evil forces of the reptilian cabal steeped in its materialism and satanism – too restricting to withstand what’s coming for them.
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        The likes of Putin and the Chinese ‘Emperor’ have started the ball rolling. They will do what Scn failed to do and was never clever enough to do; together with the support and assistance of a spiritual force not yet experienced here.
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        Don’t mistake the initial confusion for failure. Order will reign.
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        Far fetched? Keep your eyes peeled on the social media.

  2. In addition to the above article; Cancer can now be cured without chemo but it is preferably prevented with new technology in addition many diseases that the medics cannot cure is now curable because the causes are known and that gets treated. I have all the technology.

    Travers

    • Technology? What scientific basis do you claim this? Whilst Functional Integrative medicine allow Naturopath quacks to be a part of their movement it’s credibility must be questioned. Scientific research has identified measurable, causative factors and specific methods of preventing and/or treating hundreds of health problems. Naturopaths have done little more than create glib generalities. The theories they expose are simplistic and/or clash with science-based knowledge of body physiology and pathology. To claim that cancer can be cured without chemo or some other medical intervention is both disingenuous and dangerous to those who may believe that claptrap. Just ask Steve Jobs what IFM did for him!

      • There is only one trained medical doctor registered with the Institute of Functional Medicine ( https://www.functionalmedicine.org/) in South Africa and he is in Cape Town. All Functional Medical doctors have been trained at the University of Functional Medicine (http://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/)

        The following is an article written by the world leading Functional Doctor who is also a medical doctor and is adviser to the president of the USA and has appeared on many shows with the likes of Dr. Oz and others.

        ONE OF EVERY TWO Americans have a deadly disease that’s making you fat and sick and will kill you and 90 percent of you don’t even know that you have it. And it’s spreading to the rest of the world. By 2015, 2.3 billion people will have been affected across the world. What’s worse is your doctor’s are not trained how to find it and they are not even looking for it.

        This problem will cost the USA $3.5 trillion over the next 10 years. It is bankrupting their economy. In 30 years 100 percent of our federal budget will be needed to pay for Medicare and Medicaid leaving nothing for education, defense, agriculture, roads, or even social security.

        So what am I talking about?

        I’m talking about diabesity–the number one cause of obesity, heart disease, cancer, dementia, and of course type 2 diabetes.

        You might hear many terms used to describe this one basic phenomenon–a new epidemic of disordered biology and disease. It is the continuum of abnormal biology that ranges from mild insulin resistance to full-blown diabetes. We call it by many names. See if you recognize any of them:

        Insulin resistance
        Pre-diabetes
        Metabolic syndrome
        Obesity
        Syndrome X
        Adult-onset diabetes
        Type 2 diabetes

        In truth, these are ALL essentially one problem with varying degrees of severity. The diagnosis and treatment of the underlying causes that drive all these conditions are actually the same.

        That is why I use a more comprehensive term to describe these conditions: diabesity. Diabesity describes a continuum of disease from optimal blood sugar balance to insulin sensitivity to full-blown diabetes. This biological imbalance is our modern plague.

        It affects one in two Americans and is the leading cause of most chronic disease in this country including type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke, dementia, and cancer, not to mention its leading role in weight gain and obesity.

        Despite this fact, there are no national recommendations from the government or key organizations to advise screening and treatment of it, and most doctors don’t know how to properly diagnose it. The result is that 90 percent of the people who suffer from diabesity are left undiagnosed and untreated.

        The instances of diabesity are increasing at an astonishing rate. Twenty years ago, when I started practicing medicine, not a single state in the nation had an obesity rate over 20 percent. Today, not a single state in the nation has an obesity rate under 20 percent. The prevalence of type 2 diabetes has tripled in since the 1980’s. There are now 27 million diabetics in the country.

        The question is, “Why?” Why are we facing a diabesity pandemic? Why are our current treatment approaches failing so miserably? And why is conventional medicine floundering when it comes to diagnosing the biggest health threat of our time?

        Conventional Medicine Misunderstands the Fundamental Laws of Biology

        Modern industrial medicine treats disease with medication or surgery. That’s what it is designed to do, and when it comes to emergency interventions it is still the best medicine in the world. When someone comes into the emergency room with a severed leg, conventional medicine treats the problem with incredible efficacy.

        But when it comes to chronic illness, this approach simply doesn’t work.

        Here’s why conventional medicine tends to break down in the face of chronic illnesses like diabesity …

        Most medicine today is based on clear-cut, on-or-off, yes-or-no diagnoses that often miss the underlying causes and more subtle manifestations of illness. Most conventional doctors are taught that you have a disease or you don’t; you have diabetes or you don’t. There are no gray areas.

        Practicing medicine this way is extremely misguided because it misses one of the most fundamental laws of physiology, biology and disease: the continuum concept.

        There is a continuum from optimal health to hidden imbalance to serious dysfunction to disease. Anywhere along that continuum, we can intervene and reverse the process. The sooner we address it the better.

        For example, when it comes to diabesity most doctors just follow blood sugar, which actually rises very late in the disease process. If your blood sugar is 90 or 110, you don’t have diabetes. If it’s over 126, you do have diabetes. But these distinctions are completely arbitrary, and they do nothing to help treat impending problems.

        I remember one patient, Daren, who came to see me with mildly elevated blood sugar. I asked Daren if he had seen his doctor about this. He said yes. I then asked, “What did your doctor say?” Daren’s doctor had told him, “We are going to wait and watch until your blood sugar is more elevated, then we are going to treat you with medication for diabetes.”

        This attitude is absurd and harmful in the face of what we know about the problems that occur even in the absence of full-blown diabetes. Science is now showing us that many people with pre-diabetes never get diabetes, but they are at severe risk just the same. Pre-diabetes actually isn’t pre- anything, it’s a serious health condition and needs to be treated as early as possible.

        More to the point, this approach completely ignores more subtle clues from symptoms and signs of disease, which may highlight underlying metabolic imbalances (especially when complemented by further testing).

        These imbalances may be remedied by the appropriate treatment – treatment that is not focused on some disease, but instead works to remove those things that alter or damage our functioning, and provides those things that enhance, optimize, and normalize our functioning by balancing the system rather than treating the symptom. We need to treat the system, not the symptom; the patient, not the disease.

        Consider the man in the emergency room with the severed leg again for a moment. For that person, identifying what severed the leg isn’t likely to make the difference between life and death. The symptom — the severed leg — must be treated if he is going to survive.

        But that paradigm simply doesn’t hold true for health conditions like diabesity. This mechanistic model can be applied in some health crises, but it doesn’t work when it comes to chronic disease.

        Navigating the Terrain of Disease: Identifying the Causes

        To effectively treat diabesity we must shift our focus away from the symptoms or risk factors of the disease and begin taking a hard look at the causes. All of our attention is on treatments that lower blood sugar (diabetes drugs and insulin), lower high blood pressure (anti-hypertensive drugs), improve cholesterol (statins), and thin the blood (aspirin). But we never ever ask the most important question:

        Why is your blood sugar, blood pressure, or blood cholesterol too high and why is your blood too sticky and likely to clot?

        Put another way: What are the root causes of diabesity?

        Answering that question must be the focus of our diagnosis and treatment of the disease if we are going to solve this global epidemic.

        The good news is that the answer is shockingly simple.

        In next week’s blog I will outline what really causes diabesity and provide 8 steps you can use to overcome it.

        If you would like to learn more about diabesity and how to prevent, treat, and reverse it check out The Blood Sugar Solution and The Blood Sugar Solution Cookbook.

        In the meantime, I’d like to hear from you …

        Do you suffer from diabesity? What has your struggle been like?

        Why do you think conventional medicine is so ineffective at treating this illness?

        What do you think are the real underlying causes of this deadly disease?

        Please leave your thoughts by adding a comment below – but remember, we can’t offer personal medical advice online, so be sure to limit your comments to those about taking back our health!

        To your good health,

        Mark Hyman, MD

      • I have at hand very many cures for Cancer. It is known widely that Cancer is an industry and cures have been suppressed for many decades.
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        Chemo doesn’t work, it actually exacerbates the cancerous cells.
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        In this day and age, cancer can be addressed through all manner of natural remedies. Via social media, they are becoming more known every day.

      • You are behind the times, Pied Piper. Although you site Steve Jobs, you generalise about Naturopaths awfully. I wonder what Dr Lawrence Retief here in Joburg would have to say about that.
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        Like Frik, I say to you, hold your tongue until you bring yourself up to the proper speed on a few things pertaining to this subject.
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        Thanks Travers for your enlightening information and for going to the trouble to impart it.

    • Thanks for posting this Travers, it is very interesting. I saw a tv pgm recently about how corn syrup is widely used in the US food industry as an alternative to sugar. I am not from the US and when I go there I can taste the excess sugar in the normal food I eat. So much so, that I try and find a health food bar to get what would be normal food in my own country. Not that we arent following the US in its diet as we are.

      • GMOs are killing of Americans faster than you can say, Jack Robins! And sugar and starch. Add to that that the average American will address their health problems with drugs and one has a recipe for extinction. It’s the overall plan, of course.
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        I hesitate to repeat a visit to the US of A and thanks heavens I don’t have to now.

      • “I hesitate to repeat a visit to the US of A and thanks heavens I don’t have to now” What on earth does that mean? Did you go on a three-week Scn mission to the US and think you know the place?

        Where are you getting your information from — the Star or the tabloids? Now what has Ron told you about the distortions of the merchants of chaos? If you’re one of those gullible parochials that thinks SA is a good place to live you need to get out more. I was born and raised in England, lived for long periods in South Africa, Australia and finally settled in the USA — simply because the latter is the best I’ve found, by some distance. Here you can choose from a great variety of ethnic contexts, climates, living standards, political sentiments, cosmopolitan urbanity or far removed rusticity. I have better health care than the Queen of England, I can choose whatever type of education I want for the kids, the climate here in California is as good as Jo’burg’s (but the ski-ing is better), with the Mexicans I have great domestic help, there is every form of entertainment, which I can take or leave, and I have to say that Scn was bigger here than anywhere, which is why I came here before dumping it years ago as ineffective. We have one tenth of your murder rate (now it’s at a fifty year low) and that’s even including the very localized black and Hispanic figures of the inner cities where needless to say I never go. I can sleep with the doors open, it’s quiet, we never see police here — and this is even in part of LA County which has some of the worst figures nationally. As for the alarming postings about diet and the great sugar conspiracy you do know that nobody is forced at gunpoint to eat at MacDonald’s don’t you? If people are silly enough to not know what they’re eating that’s their problem. The information is all here. They can eat 100% natural/organic if they wish — it’s more available here than anywhere. The movement is big. They can completely avoid the conventional health care system if they wish but as it is life expectancy is 80 in the US and 60 in SA so I’m not on the edge of my seat waiting for advice from the latter. Overall, the modern diet and drug remedies have their side effects but we also have to remember that, before medicine’s evolution, life expectancy was 52 in 1900 and only 30 in 1800. So it’s a package deal from which discerning folks can pick and choose.

        I could go on but this has been a small attempt to rescue you from small South African bubble thinking particularly if this is partly a creation of seeing the USA only from the inside of one of the degraded Scn orgs? Best

        BD

      • Sorry Barry, I didnt mean to start any sort of thread that was knocking the US. It was just something I noticed about the food more generally than in my own country. You are right about the US, Ive spent many a lifetime there and loved and admired it greatly.
        I find these blogs are susceptible to miscommunications, where you cant really see the indicators of the person you are talking to and to be able to clarify points of misunderstandings. Just my take on things!

  3. I have long thought of writing an article on psychiatry for BIC, especially after your article on the taboo subject of sex. To me psychiatry is even more taboo, both among the rockslammers and Indies. I have had my eyes well and truly opened on this subject over the past year and no longer believe anything RCS or LRH says on the subject. I have seen cases scn could not do anything for (other than to make them worse) completely turned around by medication.
    I have no axe to grind for psychs – long before ever becoming a scn I was violently opposed to medication and, well, still am for myself! But there are people who need medication and the only place you can get it is from a psychiatrist – and they ain’t the Nazi-looking Neanderthals of CCHR propaganda. And dare I say it – this person I am referring to was handled at a total cost to date of about R2,500 as opposed to hundreds of thousands wasted on ineffective auditing and more than a decade of life virtually lost. I wish I could say much more – but it’s not my life I’m referring to. Believe me, it took me years to overcome my own prejudice, even with the evidence before my eyes. Lisa McPherson should still be alive!

  4. On one hand it is useful to compare things in your life with other similar things, but a pre-occupation of that says you’re not secure and confident of your own. My life, has nothing to do with a majority vote from anybody.
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    Major marketing drives do not succeed by comparing your product with the opposition’s. No – you simply ignore them, and tell your audience about what your product can do and its benefits.
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    So, if the tech I’m using works for me, then that’s it. It works. And I’m the greatest ocular plagiarist around – I will steel anything that does it better!
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    And straight forward LRH auditing does it for me.

    • Maybe, Frik. However, Scientologists, left, right and centre are dying and have died from cancer, including OT 8s. Explain that. You can’t.
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      LRH, himself, did not believe in his own technologies and resorted to drugs to address his own health, mental health, too.
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      You do not have to go very far to get this type of revelation. It’s readily available. Sorry to burst your bubble but truth is what it is.

  5. It always amazes me that staff members can write such crap without looking at their own lives and really seeing what they have reaped from scn over decades and sometimes their entire lives. Renate’s mother is an auditor and has been one for many years and by all accounts is a good one. Yet she herself has constant body problems. Is in and out of hospital, off to Anzo and flag for handlings on various body conditions which never seem to get totally handled.

    Look at the “products of auditors” – ot8s who cave in, get ill, crash their cars, die of cancer and other ilnesses, commit suicide etc etc.

    But anyway – there will never be more auditors than psychiatrists and psychologists – there is just not the demand for it.

    • Good comment, Draco.
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      I personally know examples of the incidents you’ve mentioned.
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      I may have benefitted from my auditing but IS my life better for having it and better from knowing Scn tech. I can’t answer in the affirmative. I’ve taken decades to regain even a modicum of what it was BEFORE I came into Scn. I was a successful business person but never regained the affluent life I had then, BEFORE.
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      And I’m well trained and have a good auditing. It’s helped but has not been the be all and end all of any progress I’ve made.

  6. We seem to be talking about two different things here (1) the relative merits of Scn and psychology/psychiatry and (2) curing physical problems.
    As for number (2) Scn was always useless in this regard ever since Hubbard glibly said “clears don’t get colds”. Scns were the most physically worse off people I ever came across, bravely smiling through their ailments and mouthing banal comments about “considerations” and “past-life overts”. I’d come across some fat woman eating an ice cream who was “postulating” her weight off — with zero success (but made her feel good about the ice cream) or listening to a success story of someone “curing” something that obviously wasn’t cured. Delusional — and if you ever refused to join in with the rah-rah delusion you were “nattering”, lol.
    The number of dead Scns who thought that the disease that killed them was “psycosomatic” must be huge. Hubbard killed a lot of people with the myths he foisted off onto us true believers.
    As for number (1) neither is as good as divine intervention but between the two psychology/psychiatry is all bs while Scn is only substantially bs.

    • So true, Barry Drake.

      Scientologists must be the most delusional people on the planet. They listen to what Hubbard said and wrote without too much inspection for themselves. He was/is treated as a god, the last word on anything.
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      His own life was in tatters when he died. He suffered ill health nearly his entire adult life. His family life was a desaster with suicides and murders galore, let alone two prior divorces before the marraige to Mary-Sue. And worse. Turns out he lied about his ‘adventures’ and created a whole fantasy life that is still being pumped out by the powers that be.
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      From this man, we took counsel! Ayish!

  7. Hi Frik, I would like to validate you on your wins and gains. I too have experienced great wins and success in my life receiving auditing and have seen miracles applying LRH policy to my life.

    • You’ve made such a good point in this video, Karen. It’s what I originally thought when I first came into Scn, “Where do all these people go?” – that is, once Scn has obliterated all the psychs. I think, at that stage, naive as I was, I believed it might actually happen. When I asked someone the question, the answer I got was, “We’ll handle the insane once the able people are handled.” I conveniently put the problem out of my mind and hang my head when I remember this.
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      Of course, Scn is not going to handle anything let alone the psychs so I needn’t have worried!
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      I like what Travers is talking about and I look forward to more from him on the subject.

  8. Each to their own, is the way of this post-church period.
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    Some will enjoy their wins and take a new path. Some will get some more auditing outside the church. Some will feel a sort of disappointment or betrayal by the discovery of Hubbards own life.
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    The tech he left behind is for us to use or not.
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    I still listen to Jimi Hendrix “All along the watchtower” despite the fact that he died of a drug overdose.
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    What brand of the tech would you like? The Ron’s Org version, adapted realism with original red on white, or pure KSW style? Or mind-walking or the Possibly Helpful brand? It’s there for you to take up or reject.
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    The letter above is sad. Why even compare to psychiatry? Very odd.
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    I still use plenty tech. I have also discarded a whole bunch. Each to their own, I say.

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